tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post6929613155431007443..comments2023-10-22T05:51:58.898-04:00Comments on Soob: Romanticizing Germany's urban guerillasJay@Soobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-91265163453037562242008-01-03T21:01:00.000-05:002008-01-03T21:01:00.000-05:00Sometimes, yes. At least in Stalin's case, I consi...Sometimes, yes. At least in Stalin's case, I consider Stalinism to be a gross perversion of Marxism/ Marxism-Leninism. Maoism, again I cannot speak to, as I am not well versed in the history or the ideolofy. But the atrocities committed in their regimes were not carried out because that is what Marx advocated or wrote about.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-40076233777797308372008-01-03T17:24:00.000-05:002008-01-03T17:24:00.000-05:00Red,I did not mean to imply that you were a Nation...Red,<BR/>I did not mean to imply that you were a National Socialist, or a Socialist of the Maoist or Stalinist persuasion.<BR/>However, aren't policies typically a reflection of ideologies?The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-84004595016748071322008-01-03T13:07:00.000-05:002008-01-03T13:07:00.000-05:00also, i didn't use any hitler related picture for ...also, i didn't use any hitler related picture for the simple reason that I AM NOT A NAZI! i hope that you are only equating their murderous policies, not their ideologies, as socialism/marxism and national socialism are not at all similar.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-92022102306218774632008-01-03T12:59:00.000-05:002008-01-03T12:59:00.000-05:00I am not a maoist, nor do I pretend to know enough...I am not a maoist, nor do I pretend to know enough about Mao and his actions to make a judgement on him. I enjoy his writings on guerrilla warfare and appreciate the art that his regime produced for propaganda purposes. if taken out of context, the posters are quite beautiful and contain messages that I can agree with. for example, the text in my profile picture reads something to the effect of "the red son rises, the people of the world are united against imperialism." I hope that clears things up a little. Soviet propaganda art is interesting in it's own right, as is Cuban but I prefer Maoist propaganda art.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-67075668977687848202008-01-03T12:49:00.000-05:002008-01-03T12:49:00.000-05:00Red,Thanks for the replyAny reason you picked one ...Red,<BR/>Thanks for the reply<BR/>Any reason you picked one from Chairman Mao instead of Hitler or Stalin? Or anyone else with a lower body count?<BR/><BR/>WhiteThe Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-17910237414917505142008-01-03T10:38:00.000-05:002008-01-03T10:38:00.000-05:00white,I am not sure what period it is from, but i ...white,<BR/>I am not sure what period it is from, but i found it on maopost.com, a great website for mao propaganda posters.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-4503336440461850832008-01-02T22:06:00.000-05:002008-01-02T22:06:00.000-05:00Red,To go off on yet another topic that has nothin...Red,<BR/>To go off on yet another topic that has nothing at all to do with the original post....Is that a Cultural Revolution poster you're using as an Icon/Avatar? <BR/><BR/>WhiteThe Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-34814494061449983322008-01-02T20:09:00.000-05:002008-01-02T20:09:00.000-05:00Well this makes comment number 19, none of which h...Well this makes comment number 19, none of which have much to do with the original post, so it is some kind of war... I enjoy a spirited discussion as much as the next man, maybe even more so let's continue with our heated but not enflamed war of words.<BR/><BR/>killing is not always the same in my book. the violence of our government and that of AQ is obviously very different. but human life is absolute. what principals does are government kill for? what our are goals? the spread of democracy? BS! taking out Sadam? BS! our armed forces are and always have been the stooges of capitalism and the bourgeois.<BR/><BR/>Do you think we should be in Iraq? I think that it has been clear since before the war that the situation would be FUBAR, that our pretenses for invading were false, that we were being lied to. <BR/><BR/>if you don't like AQ, fine, but I ask you again, how can you defend out government and it's use of military force through out the world?The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-38959848576936480232008-01-02T18:02:00.000-05:002008-01-02T18:02:00.000-05:00Bah! Not a "flame war" at all. Just an ideological...Bah! Not a "flame war" at all. Just an ideological disagreement. Which neither of us is likely to prod the other from.<BR/><BR/>You adhere to a rather radical political vision and prefer ethical practice over ethical goals and have justified in your own mind that the two are mutually inclusive.<BR/><BR/>"Compare the total number of bombing by Al-Queda since their inception, including number of attacks, causalities, repercussions, etc. to those of the US armed forces during that same period. And then tell me that Imperialism is a good thing."<BR/><BR/>As long as we look good doing it who cares what the greater goal entails? You see no division of principles only the "sameness" of the means. They kill, we kill and therefore there's an equal amount of moral inequity.Jay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-39893710531020404122008-01-01T21:47:00.000-05:002008-01-01T21:47:00.000-05:00Jesus, this flame war is gonna be going for a whil...Jesus, this flame war is gonna be going for a while, and we are now completely off topic. Al-Queda may not be the Black Panthers or the FLQ, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. To be sure they have not helped anything in the region, but as they say "you can't polish shit." however I am by no means a scholar of middle eastern history, so I can't really speak to this.<BR/><BR/>Imperialism has simultaneous created the best standard of living for the first world, while raping, pillaging, and poisoning the third world. JUST LOOK AT IRAQ! JUST LOOK AT THE ENTIRE POST-WAR PERIOD UNTIL TODAY! I mean, come on man, how can you defend the actions of a clearly criminal government? I realize that I have benefited from the actions of imperialists, but do not wish to continue to live such a life of comparative luxury. how can you defend a lifestyle that is a result of immeasurable pain and suffering on the part of the down trodden and oppressed people of the world.<BR/><BR/>As for Kenya, the colonial wound runs deep and the third world is still enslaved by multiple systems of economic and political repression by the first world.<BR/><BR/>Compare the total number of bombing by Al-Queda since their inception, including number of attacks, causalities, repercussions, etc. to those of the US armed forces during that same period. And then tell me that Imperialism is a good thing.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-20096953796243301032008-01-01T21:18:00.000-05:002008-01-01T21:18:00.000-05:00Red Son,There are very few exceptions to my own ru...Red Son,<BR/><BR/>There are very few exceptions to my own rule that forums are rarely hosts to intelligent debate. As often as not they host vapid and generally meaningless hot air spouted forth by internet "tough guys."<BR/><BR/>For a brief history lesson on how the CIA did <I>not</I> create AQ go <A HREF="http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/12/misconception.html" REL="nofollow">here.</A><BR/><BR/>The actions of AQ are driven by and support a nihilistic and violent ideology. There is nothing inherently productive about the salafist fringe. Quite the contrary it's had a hearty hand in driving what was once the cradle of civilization into the backwater and backward mess that it is today. <BR/><BR/>Contrarily the imperial standards of the US (and I'm comfortable with that charge even if I don't necessarily entirely agree with it) and our western brethren have resulted in the most advanced, well fed, and secure societies the planet has ever seen. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, Kenya tears itself apart over what "passes" for an election in a state long abandoned by western "Imperial Designs." <BR/><BR/>We've <I>earned</I> jingoism, however shallow and completely foolish it often is. You and I both sit, comfortable, fed and literate behind our computer screens tapping away. All the while the "Imperial" machinery that's built our little havens chugs away.Jay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-71308695275877992812008-01-01T16:32:00.000-05:002008-01-01T16:32:00.000-05:00and i quote "all socialists & communists should be...and i quote "all socialists & communists should be given 24 hrs to leave this country. After that they'd be free game, to be hunted and eradicated."<BR/><BR/>http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=315939&page=1The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-73040835260515357612008-01-01T05:32:00.000-05:002008-01-01T05:32:00.000-05:00Red Son, whilst the topic of the morality of Al Qa...Red Son, whilst the topic of the morality of Al Qaeda might raise my ire I'll leave it alone as Soob as, but on another topic you brought up:<BR/><BR/>"and "if you don't love america you deserve deportation and/or execution" mentality is all too common in this country and jingoism at it's worse."<BR/><BR/>I think you'll find this incorrect red son. Whilst the political classes are polarized, but not deeply polarized, the average american is not (the media portrays it as otherwise, because conflict, be it war or social, is great news). Two books, with plenty of data, that support this view are <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Polarized-America-Questions-Politics/dp/0321366069/ref=ed_oe_p" REL="nofollow">"Culture War? The Myth of a Polarized America"</A> by Morris P. Fiorina and <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Crisis-Values-Reality-Perception/dp/0691117942" REL="nofollow">"America's Crisis of Values: Reality and Perception"</A><BR/>by Wayne E. Baker (who by the way is a GREAT social network theorist). The baker book is even better and states:<BR/><BR/>"The evidence shows overwhelmingly that America has not lost its traditional values, that the nation compares favorably with most other societies, and that the culture war is largely a myth." <BR/><BR/>Again, all supported by some excellent data. But don't believe me, you can go read some of Fiorina's essay <A HREF="http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3010006.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> (twas an essay before a book) and Baker has the first chapter <A HREF="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7845.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. Also check out the reviews on the Amazon links by Todd I. Stark, they are quite good.<BR/><BR/>Whilst some within this network of the blogosphere might disagree with the conclusions of those two authors - that the culture war is overblown - those two books, and their conclusions cannot be ignored.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10588546748297924666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-10129136416661264542008-01-01T00:34:00.000-05:002008-01-01T00:34:00.000-05:00and to you as well, hope vermont is treating you w...and to you as well, hope vermont is treating you well.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-51632796355747264462007-12-31T22:23:00.000-05:002007-12-31T22:23:00.000-05:00Red Son, my friend, I'm going to wish you a happy ...Red Son, my friend, I'm going to wish you a happy new year and save my reaction ('cos it won't be conducive to you're message, I'm afraid...) for a later day. Best wishes to you and yours.Jay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-27861194511766616952007-12-31T20:47:00.000-05:002007-12-31T20:47:00.000-05:00My friend, you misunderstand me. the magnet idea w...My friend, you misunderstand me. the magnet idea was meant as political satire, not a statement of actual support, soldiarity, or affinity with "AQ." That said, do you find the actions of Al-Queda any less moral than those of the US in Latin America, Asia, Africa and Middle East, especially with regards to the current situation in Iraq, Afghanistan, Samolia, etc.? I, for one, do not.<BR/> Support Our Troops magnets, American and Confederate Flag, God Bless America Signs, Shirt, Bumperstickers and "if you don't love america you deserve deportation and/or execution" mentality is all too common in this country and jingoism at it's worse. It is accepted and celebrated, and yet when I express ambiguous support for Al-Queda, an organization which our policies, action and CIA secret wars created, an organization which seeks to liberate a colonized region from the grips of savage imperialism, you call me crazy.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-59489871285808796512007-12-31T19:27:00.000-05:002007-12-31T19:27:00.000-05:00Red Son, allow me to reiterate an excellent bit of...Red Son, allow me to reiterate an excellent bit of advise passed on to me from a fellow most proficient in the ways of the world. <BR/><BR/>"Be careful who you date, you might have to marry them."<BR/><BR/>If you think the essence of AQ and your own hopes for the downfall of imperialism and global capitalism are some how in line with each other, think again.Jay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-55851285155404731502007-12-31T19:05:00.000-05:002007-12-31T19:05:00.000-05:00to the end of the fall of the last super power and...to the end of the fall of the last super power and the system of global capitalismThe Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-43623640505761582322007-12-31T18:42:00.000-05:002007-12-31T18:42:00.000-05:00"Also I want a ribbon magnet that reads "support a..."Also I want a ribbon magnet that reads "support al-queda."<BR/><BR/>WTF?!! To what end?Jay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-37528695725027523342007-12-31T17:40:00.000-05:002007-12-31T17:40:00.000-05:00Müzenberg: The FLQ, the Tupamaros, the BPP and FLN...Müzenberg: The FLQ, the Tupamaros, the BPP and FLN of Algeria/post-revolutionary algerian government, and the PFLP, were the main ones, but there were many more minor organizations that I looked at.<BR/><BR/>Well at least on my old school, the "islamo-fascist" aesthetic was enjoyed by many, including myself. For, any others, again including myself are support anti-zionism, anti-american imperialism and Islamic/Arab militancy in many situations. If they made pro-al-queda shirts, I would stop wearing my five che shirts, at least for a week. Also I want a ribbon magnet that reads "support al-queda."The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-51034878654007496042007-12-31T12:45:00.000-05:002007-12-31T12:45:00.000-05:00If Al Qaeda is ever "fashionable" on college campu...If Al Qaeda is ever "fashionable" on college campuses, I'll eat my foot.Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05953649845499754508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-78204669162866529862007-12-30T19:42:00.000-05:002007-12-30T19:42:00.000-05:00"As for Dan tdaxp's comment, it/they already are."..."As for Dan tdaxp's comment, it/they already are."<BR/><BR/>Like Munz that claim peaks my interest. Are you referring to a personal experience?Jay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-57403256360470894822007-12-30T18:24:00.000-05:002007-12-30T18:24:00.000-05:00Dan: Thanks, I had seen your post mentioned on Ken...Dan: Thanks, I had seen your post mentioned on Kent's Imperative. Very prescient. I edited the blog post to include it. <BR/><BR/>Red Son: Which groups were in your case study? And most importantly, I'm interested that you think Al Qaeda already are fashionable. Do you have any links or stories to share?Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10588546748297924666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-17420002101271565852007-12-30T08:53:00.000-05:002007-12-30T08:53:00.000-05:00I wrote my thesis on urban guerrilla movements, bu...I wrote my thesis on urban guerrilla movements, but the RAF was not one of my case studies, although it interested me greatly. They were influenced by some of the South American urban guerrilla groups that I looked at. As for Dan tdaxp's comment, it/they already areThe Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179942.post-16034441133086965042007-12-30T08:51:00.000-05:002007-12-30T08:51:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.com